In this episode, Kathryn McNaughton talks with Karin Jones (Dept. Head, Jewelry programs) and Susie Findlay (Dept. Head, Baking and Pastry Arts) about the role of critical and creative thinking in their programs and in their own artistic and technical practice.

Leadership Conversations is hosted by VCC's VP Academic, Kathryn McNaughton, who sits down with interesting people from across VCC, exploring who they are and what they do, and gaining insight into their practice.